Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Update on completely rebuilt 1984 Ford Bronco II
Believe it or not, the "COMPLETELY REBUILT NEW, NEW NEW EVERYTHING" 1984 Ford Bronco II 4/4 is still for sale. In fact, it's been reduced. I'd scap it up, but I'm looking for a completely rebuilt Ford Pinto. Seriously, I'm saving for a Porsche 911 Turbo S.
I figure that by the time I turn 88 I should be able to afford a used one and the gas for it. P.S. What's your current "dream car?" (Please, no tree-huggers raining on my parade and don't say your dream car is a 1984 Ford Bronco, LOL).
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How about a compromise here . . . I agree that a new Turbo S is desirable, but $160K+ is a lot for a rocket that you dare not light more than 99% of the time (even if it does get 25 mpg, which it does). As a devoted owner of the breed, I respectfully suggest that you consider a nice used one since spectacular examples are available for less than a fourth of that. While I enjoy the rare acceleration, it's the handling that is the most satisfying. Besides, any hot bike can blow you off in a drag race, even in the Turbo S. Get a roadster, put the top down and cruise . . . you WILL get lots of envious grins, I guarantee it.
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment. I envy anyone who owns any kind of Porsche. The Boxster/Cayman and handling wizards. However, I must disagree that "any hot bike can blow you off in a drag race." The S runs the quarter in 10's. There are only a few stock bikes that can do that. Plus, any idiot can engage the S's launch control and run 10's automatically. It takes a hell of bike rider to launch a 2 wheeler fast enough to run any bike in the 10's. Most motorcycle road tests are done by experienced pros--not the average rider.
Quarter Mile E.T.'s: Cycle World - Honda VFR1200: 10.33, Suzuki Hyabusa: 9.86 ..... Sport Rider - Suzuki GSXR1000: 9.74, Kawasaki ZX14: 9.73 . . . Road and Track - 2011 Turbo S: 10.7. I have owned and ridden both hot bikes and autoclutch manual transmission cars, and still do. The Porsche will go through the traps in the high 120 mph range, the bikes in the 140+ mph range. At 120 mph, a vehicle that gets to the traps 1/2 sec sooner is 88 feet in front of the looser. It's the power to weight ratio Ray . . . typical superbike weighs less than 750lb with rider and makes about 150hp (5lb/hp) . . . the Turbo S weighs 3770lb and claims 530hp (7.11lb/hp). I've been there Ray . . . I can look over at any turbo and they won't look back . . . they know better. Also, if you think launching and controlling any vehicle that gets to 60 mph in 2.7 sec. is a cake walk, I've got some warnings for you.
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ReplyDeleteNever owned a true super-bike. Honda Interceptor was the fastest. I spend lots of time working on the launch, but never could seem to get out of the hole as fast I liked. Also spend a lot of money on expensive rear tires. Have had some friends who owned super-bikes, and when asked, they reluctantly admitted that they couldn't match the results in the magazines. The tested bikes probably had been secretly and specially tuned for the magazine test.
Didn't know bikes had broken into the 9's. Yes bikes have a tremendous power to weight advantage, but traction getting started and only two wheels cancels that at least early in the run. Stock Production Corvette ZR-1's and Butatti Veryon's can go over over 200 mph. Is there a stock, production bike that can top 200 mph? I still contend, however, that the average super-bike owner does not have the skill to get a superbike through the quarter in 10's. However, with the Turbo S's launch control, AWD, huge tires and transmission, I bet the average owner could get 0-60 under 3 sec. and into the 10's in the quarter. One of the road tests I read about the Turbo S suggested as much. As we both know, it's a lot easier to handle a car than a bike. Anyway, in the 0-60 and quarter-mile I'd take the average Turbo-S owner over the average stock super-bike owner.
You've put your finger nearly on the target . . . most of those contests are rolling starts . . . you would not believe how a bike pulls away from a car between 60 and 140 mph.
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ReplyDeleteDepends upon what kind of car you are talking about and the skill of the driver/rider. Show me a bike that (even with a professional rider) can pull away from a Veyron Sport! (Top speed listed as 258 mph!) Of course, this car costs over $2 million, but lets put the worlds' fastest production car against the world's fastest production bike with average drivers/riders and I bet the car wins 0-60-, 1/4 mile, 0-100 and 0-250.
How about an F-22A? Have you ever seen a Veyron, Ray? I thought that we were discussing relevant vehicles. There are hundreds of Bonneville record holders that will exceed 258 mph. At some point a vehicle becomes an obscenity by virtue of its mission to demonstrate class superiority. I don't dream of owning anything that reeks of that objective. It's the G's of acceleration, braking and handling that entertain me, not the way I look in it or on it. I stand by my original premise . . . that for every Turbo S that you will ever see or can afford there are 10 bikes with riders who can out-accelerate it.
ReplyDeleteGreat suggestion! My vote is for the F-22 with its concealed carry. Ye Haw! On second thought, we'll just load those bays with a little party juice to celebrate after the race.
ReplyDelete44 & Ridgway:
ReplyDeleteI thought we were talking about stock automobile and motorcycle production vehicles. The Veyron is a stock production vehicle. And yes, I think I saw one in Dallas in December. It was going too fast to really tell what it was (LOL) Okay folks, we're going too far afield now with 8 comments. Let's get back on track. See the new post on Birthright Citizenship. Feel free to continue commenting, but this is my last and I stand by my conclusions. Thanks again!
My dream ride? A restored Willeys CJ-2 or an International Scout, back when SUVs were actual utility vehicles instead of over sized station wagons.
ReplyDeleteGEJ: Thanks for the comment. Makes a lot more sense than a Ford Bronco II. Are you into off-roading? My current dream car is not out yet. It's the 2013 Porsche 911 Turbo S. Now, if I could just triple my income and halve my age, I might be able to afford and handle one.
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